(10-01-2018 05:35 )Tyto Alba Kirjutas:  

(10-01-2018 03:08 )cambodia Kirjutas:  

(09-01-2018 19:44 )Tyto Alba Kirjutas:  

(09-01-2018 09:46 )pikksukk Kirjutas:  Kuskilt on jäänud kõrvu, et Stalinil oli plaan Iisrael teha Krimmi? Kas keegi on midagi säärastkuulnud?

See ei olnud mitte Stalini plaan vaid teatud juudi poliitilise alaliikumise plaan.
Kuna aga "küürakat parandab haud" siis ja üritati asja "tagant tõugata" ja siis plaan luhtus.
Selle tulemusena saatis Stalin need isiku tollases kontekstis vastloodud Juudi "oblastisse" - Kaug-idas.

Ehk nimetaksid, tooksid seekord siiski välja ka algallika, millele too väide põhineb?

Neid on palju, kuid peamine allikas on praktika - millal võttis Stalin juutidel kõri pihku ja kuhu nad saatis.

(10-01-2018 18:55 )Tyto Alba Kirjutas:  Moodsal ajal on võimalik leida "tõestusi" pea igale lollusele...

(10-01-2018 03:08 )cambodia Kirjutas:  

(09-01-2018 19:44 )Tyto Alba Kirjutas:  See ei olnud mitte Stalini plaan vaid teatud juudi poliitilise alaliikumise plaan.
Kuna aga "küürakat parandab haud" siis ja üritati asja "tagant tõugata" ja siis plaan luhtus.
Selle tulemusena saatis Stalin need isiku tollases kontekstis vastloodud Juudi "oblastisse" - Kaug-idas.

Ehk nimetaksid, tooksid seekord siiski välja ka algallika, millele too väide põhineb?

Tsitaat:Before Israel, the Jewish People Had a Socialist Utopia — in Siberia

The Soviets beat the Zionists by a few decades, and organised a Jewish Autonomous Region, improbably located on the Russian-Chinese border beyond Mongolia. Even more improbably, that region’s ‘Jewish’ status has survived stalinism, wars, deprivation and the fall of communism. But few Jews still reside in what was once billed as a future judeo-socialist utopia. Birobidzhan’s history remains, as one of the more bizarre footnotes in the struggle for a Jewish homeland.

“The Soviet solution of the national question is strikingly illustrated by the way the problems of the Jewish people have been dealt with in the Soviet Union,” writes D. Bergelson in ‘The Jewish Autonomous Region’, a English-language pamphlet published in Moscow in 1939, entirely written in socialist utopian mode. It describes how Jews, formerly oppressed by the Czarist regime, are now flourishing in the egalitarian Soviet Union:

“Jewish fliers took part in the historic expedition to the North Pole. Thousands of Jews operate machines in factories and mills. In the city of Gorky (formerly Nizhni-Novgorod), in which Jews were not allowed to live in the times of tsardom) there are about eight thousand Jewish workers employed in the automobile works alone. Among the prominent Stakhanovite workers we find many Jews like Blidman, Khenkin, Yussim and others, whose names are known all over the country. Jewish Red Armymen who took part in the battles at Lake Hassan were among those decorated by the Soviet Government for their heroism and devotion. Jewish names are among those of the Heroes of the Soviet Union, as well as among those of the Deputies to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR and the Supreme Soviets of the Union Republics.”

One of the peculiarities of Soviet-style communism was the reality of having to deal with over 100 nationalities on the territory of the former Russian Empire. Not long after the 1917 Revolution, Moscow granted all of them a maximum of cultural and territorial autonomy (at least on paper). For the Jews, who had been a people without a country for 19 centuries, this was an unprecedented opportunity: “In addition to securing the Jews full equality, the Soviet Government has set aside a large district — Birobidjan — as a Jewish national territory. The Jews have thus acquired their statehood in the Soviet Union — the Jewish Autonomous Region, which is a unique and a most momentous development in the history of the Jewish people as a whole.”

The Jewish Autonomous Oblast (in Yiddish: Yidishe Avtonome Gegnt) was created in 1934 within the framework of Stalin’s nationality policy, centered on the town of Birobidzhan, along the Trans-Siberian Railway, close to Khabarovsk. The settlement of the area (by Russians), under way from the middle of the 19th century, was greatly speeded up by the Trans-Siberian Railway (completed in 1916). The creation of the JAO was meant to counter both Zionism and (religious) Judaism by creating an atheist, Soviet version of Zion, and further to settle the still sparsely populated Siberian lands bordering China.

A more cynical view of the genesis and location of the JAO is that it would make it possible to deport the Soviet Union’s entire Jewish population to one of the remotest corners of the country. Initially, Jewish pioneers were lured to Birobidzhan by a concerted propaganda effort, ranging from posters and pamphlets to movies and books – one movie told the story of American Jews escaping the Depression to start over in the Jewish utopia.

As the number of settlers grew, Jewish culture in the region blossomed. Valdgeym, Amurzet and other Jewish settlements were established, the Yiddish-language newspaper Birobidzhaner Stern (‘Star of Birobidzhan’) was founded. But the growth of the JAO was cut short by Stalin’s purges before and after the Second World War, and by the war itself. The purges even led to the burning of the entire Judaica collection in Birobidzhan’s local library. In the decades following the war, many Birobidzhan Jews chose to emigrate; in 2002, Jews constituted less than 2% of the region’s 200,000 inhabitants (90% Russian, 4% Ukrainian).

Bizarrely, this has not prevented a Jewish renaissance of sorts: Yiddish is once again taught in Birobidzhan’s schools, there are Yiddish-language radio and tv programmes and the aforementioned Birobidzhaner Stern continues to publish a section in Yiddish. A new synagogue was opened in 2004, and there is a Jewish National University. There are extensive links between the region and Israel, which is the home country of Mordechai Scheiner, the JAO’s chief rabbi from 2002 to 2011. The rabbi is optimistic about the future of Yiddishkeit in Birobidzhan: “Today one can enjoy the benefits of the Yiddish culture and not be afraid to return to their Jewish traditions (…) Jewish life is reviving, both in quantity as in quality.”

Tsitaat:Yevsektsia succeeded in destroying the centuries-old structure of Jewish life centering around the synagogue, the kehilla, and the religious schools.

The goal of the YevSektsia was to destroy Jewish tradition, and wipe out Judaism as a religion.

These brought with them ideas on the fostering setting up of a secular Jewish culture in Yiddish and envenomed poisoned hatred toward the Jewish religion, the Hebrew language, the Bible, and the racist Zionist movement.

Yevsektsiya activities: destruction of Jewish institutions , synagogues as workshops, underground institutions, prohibition of Hebrew activities.

The first activity of the Yevsektsiya was the liquidation of the religious and national organization of the Jews of Russia. In August 1919 the Jewish communities were dissolved and their properties confiscated. The general anti-religious policy took the form, in relation to the Jews, of persecution of traditional Jewish culture and education, of prohibiting the religious instruction of children, the closure of hadarim small Jewish schools and yeshivot religious Torah schools, and the seizure of synagogues which were converted into clubs, workshops, or warehouses.

A violent campaign against the Jewish religion and its leaders was conducted and heavy taxes were imposed on the rabbis and other religious officials in order to compel them to resign from their positions. In these activities the Yevsektsiya encountered the opposition of the religious masses, who based themselves on the promise of freedom of religious worship, which was officially proclaimed and later included in the Soviet constitution, and struggled for their right to pursue their way of life by legal or illegal methods (through "underground" hadarim, yeshivot, etc.).

War was also proclaimed against Hebrew; its study was prohibited, and the publication of books in Hebrew was suspended (though until 1928 it was still possible to print religious books and Jewish calendars). In June 1921 a group of Hebrew authors led by H.N. Bialik and S. Tchernichowsky left Russia. Several years later the Hebrew theater Habimah left the Soviet Union. It had attained a high artistic standard and for several years had been protected from the Yevsektsiya by several of the greatest Russian cultural personalities, led by M. Gorki. The remaining Hebrew authors (Abraham Friman, Hayyim *Lenski, Elisha *Rodin, and others) were cruelly persecuted and many of them sent to forced labor camps.

To replace the Jewish culture which had been destroyed, the Jewish Communists attempted to develop a "Jewish proletarian culture", which was to be, according to Stalin's slogan, "national in form and socialist in content". This culture was based on the promotion of the Yiddish language and its literature, while the writing of Hebrew works in Yiddish was changed to phonetic transcription, so as to cut the link with Hebrew.

(09-03-2009 01:54 )T11ger Kirjutas:  Olen ikka mõtisklenud, kust on pärit ja miks nii visalt püsib nähtus "juudiviha" (JV). Mõningaid vastuseid muidugi annavad raamatud (revolutsiooni terror venes ja väidetavalt juudipäritolu liidrid jne, lisaks eelkõige WWII holokausti tagajärjel, mis teise teema jutt).

Isiklikult olen kogenud seda Eestis elavate venelaste juures, kes vahel räägivad juutidest umbisikuliselt, halvustavalt, vaevu varjatud raevuga, oskamata ise seda seletada. Eestlaste hulgas olevast umbusust ja ka varjamatust sallimatusest pole ilmselt vajagi pikemalt peatuda.

Teema algatajana mainin ära ka oma seisukoha - sionism ja sionistid minu maailma ei mahu.
Olen maailmas palju liikunud, megalt inimestega suhelnud, seetõttu ilmselt väga tolerantne erinevate kultuuride/nähtuste vastu ja kuna näen Iisraeli riigi ajaloos oma olemasolu eest võitlemises sarnasusi Eestiga, siis olen Iisraelis (NB!) elava rahva suhtes pigem poolehoidev. Loomulikult ei kiida ma kõike heaks, kuid rõhutan - see on minu hästi üldine hoiak (samuti nagu suhtun Gruusiasse jm riikidesse-rahvastesse. NB - ei maksa neid omavahel võrdlema hakata selle teema all).

See on keeruline, vastuoluline teema. Pakun võimaluse end tühjaks karjuda, samas oleks teretulnud, et lihtsalt "ahju" teemaliste sõnavõttude asemel pakutaks tiba asjalikemaid seisukohti, mis lugejaid (kaasa)mõtlema paneks ja uut sünnitada laseks

Seega: kust on JV pärit, mis värk siis sellega ikka on, kui holokausti-kesksus veidi kõrvale jätta? Mis, kes, kus, millal, ehk ka miks? Let's rock!
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(06-12-2018 14:32 )Mina Olen Kirjutas:  Mis nad mõtlesid, et tapavad Jumala ära ja nii saab kõik nende jaoks korda?
Muahahahaha.

Selle'p ka Iisraeli nimi Iskaroks muudetakse.

(06-12-2018 16:28 )KuKr Kirjutas:  

(06-12-2018 14:32 )Mina Olen Kirjutas:  Mis nad mõtlesid, et tapavad Jumala ära ja nii saab kõik nende jaoks korda?
Muahahahaha.

Selle'p ka Iisraeli nimi Iskaroks muudetakse.

Mis mõttes, israeliidid tapsid Jumala?

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PS. Nimemuutust ei tule.

(06-12-2018 19:56 )Minaelan Kirjutas:  Ei. Ebajumal, kes sundis rahvast ennast ohverdama, teisi ettejuhtuvaid tapma ja hävitama, oli saatan. Lihtne.

(06-12-2018 20:03 )Minaelan Kirjutas:  

(06-12-2018 20:00 )Mina Olen Kirjutas:  Jumal ei armasta meid. Me oleme tema tööriistad.

Teame seda ammu. Aga see jumal pole meie jumal. Meie ise oleme oma jumalad. Meis on jõudu rohkem, kui me uskuda suudame.

(25-09-2019 17:19 )Valge ordu hundi Kirjutas:  Juutidel on kõrgem IQ kui valgetel ja kollastel.

(26-10-2019 04:41 )Nielander Kirjutas:  

(25-09-2019 17:19 )Valge ordu hundi Kirjutas:  Juutidel on kõrgem IQ kui valgetel ja kollastel.

Siis pole ju midagi teha. Kui kaalukausil on inimkonna areng, siis võitjad on selgunud. Ärgem teha seda raskemaks kui see olema teab.

(26-10-2019 06:56 )I'll be back Kirjutas:  IQ-st rääkides- kas "peremeesorganism" mitte üks sõna ei peaks olema?

(26-10-2019 06:07 )Tyto Alba Kirjutas:  Ei ole neil midagi kõrgem IQ - lihtsalt nad on õppinud parasiteerima peremees organismis.
Kasutades ära omasuguste ringkaitset ja valge inimese sisemist headust.
Juudid pole loonud ühtegi tsivilisatsiooni - kõik on loodud valgete poolt - lugege või vanu müüte.

(26-10-2019 10:05 )Nielander Kirjutas:  

(26-10-2019 06:07 )Tyto Alba Kirjutas:  Ei ole neil midagi kõrgem IQ - lihtsalt nad on õppinud parasiteerima peremees organismis.
Kasutades ära omasuguste ringkaitset ja valge inimese sisemist headust.
Juudid pole loonud ühtegi tsivilisatsiooni - kõik on loodud valgete poolt - lugege või vanu müüte.

A selge. Valged on kõige paremad ikkagi. Jess.