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Ma vaatsin ise ka, et nagu oleks kaks pühakut, aga kes - tõesti aru ei saanud.
Küllap üks on ehk esimene Peetrus.
Nojah, eks rooma-katoliiklastel ole iidsete initsiatsiooniriituste atribuutika asemel muud tõlgendused.
Corporis, mingi link sul ka selle kopitud teksti kohta lisada ehk?
Tahaks teada, mis asjapuude poolt kirjutatud.
http://gizadeathstar.com/
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Malachi’s Prophecies & B16’s Resignation
Prophecy of the Popes
Dear TIA,
It is good to be back. Considering that Pope Benedict 16 is resigning, it comes in my mind to ask you about the prophecy of St. Malachi, if it is genuine or not.
Saint Malachi was given a vision of the last 112 popes starting from his time up to the last pope in which Rome (the seven-hilled city) will be destroyed. According to the prophecy, Pope Benedict 16 was the 111th & we are going to see fulfillment for the coming 112th pope Petrus Romanus. The prophecy can be read here.
The prophecy of the 112th is this: "In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible judge will judge his people."
This is the last prophecy he has.
That is why I believed in the real third secret of Fatima that you have posted in which Rome also is going to be destroyed.
And history will repeat again, according to St. Matthew, the temple being destroyed before the passing of a generation (70 years):
Jesus' time (Jesus on passion) = Temple was destroyed before 70 AD has pass;
Our time (Mystical Body of Christ = Church on passion) = Temple in Vatican has to be destroyed before the passing of a generation, starting from the birth of Israel nation in 1947.
I hope you have a clear answer about the St. Malachi's prophecy.
Thanks,
R.A.
______________________
TIA responds:
Dear R.A.,
We believe you are entitled to your opinion. The comments you made seem quite coherent, but there is a gap from making conjectures to saying that these things will actually take place. We must wait to see what will happen.
Regarding what is called the contingent future, i.e., what will happen in detail, this is known only by God and those to whom He communicates such knowledge. We can certainly guarantee you that so far we have not had this kind of communication.
Thus, we should limit ourselves to humbly making conjectures, knowing that they can be incomplete or wrong. In our opinion, yours are among the coherent conjectures that can be made.
To us what is certain - taking into consideration the prophecies of La Salette - is that we are immersed in the times that either are those of the Antichrist or those that prefigure them. It also is not difficult to see that we are in the middle of an enormous apostasy, which can very well be the Great Apostasy predicted by St. Paul (2 Tes 2) for the times of the Antichrist. If, to this we add the perspectives foreseen at Fatima of a cosmic chastisement - the twirling of the sun seems to be a symbol of it - we have a very broad and serious panorama.
You mention the Prophecies of St. Malachi, which end with this coming Pope who will be elected in one month or so. Insofar as we believe in those prophecies, it makes sense to think that Rome will be destroyed soon. If we considered that yesterday, February 11, 2013, after Benedict XVI announced his resignation, lightning struck the Vatican cupola, one may interpret this as a sign of a coming destruction, confirming St. Malachi’s prediction.
Further, if one considers that in the last phase of his pontificate, Pius XII was largely preparing the progressivist onslaught that took place with John XXIII and the Council, then we have before our eyes a list of six Popes who all promoted Progressivism: Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Adding a seventh to this list, in the eventually that the coming Pope will not be a good one, would make seven Popes who have served and helped to advance Progressivism.
Would this be the realization of St. John’s mysterious prophecy of a beast with seven heads that will appear close to the end times to destroy the Church? Who could say for sure that it is or that it is not?
You see that these conjectures, which in some way support yours, are far from being the "clear answer" you expected from us.
Cordially,
TIA correspondence desk
Ja veel-
Third Secret of Fatima
People Commenting
One of our readers from Portugal sent us the facsimile of a handwritten text that could be the text of the Third Secret of Fatima.
This unsigned text supposedly was written by Sister Lucy in her Convent of Tuy on September 1, 1944 or April 1, 1944 - it is not clear whether the number indicating the month is 9 or 4. A fingerprint of Sister Lucy was placed on the bottom of the page as a guarantee of its authenticity. Some unidentified person who had access to this document released a photo of it very recently.
We are posting this facsimile below for the perusal of TIA readers. It is followed by a typed text in Portuguese and our English translation of it.
We do not assert that this is undoubtedly the true Third Secret. We post it as an invitation for our readers to discuss it and seek the opinion of experts in order to find whether this document is authentic or not.
Sadly, there is a hypothesis that should not be excluded: If the date is April 1, then some priest or even bishop might be playing an April Fools' joke, spreading an adulterated text to amuse himself. This would be a sin against the Second Commandement, we believe, since it would be taking the name of God's Blessed Mother in vain. But, in these times of post-conciliar lack of seriousness, TIA has already experienced something of this kind (click here).
Even though, on the one hand, we make these reservations as a measure of prudence, on the other hand, we believe that this text has in its favor the appearance of truth. That is to say:
Regarding its content, it is a description that certainly matches the reality we are witnessing today: the radical changes that were installed in the Church by Vatican Council II and were universally spread in the last 45 years;
If it would have been revealed before 1960 by John XXIII, it could have prevented an enormous part of this crisis;
Regarding its form, it corresponds to the other two previously revealed parts of the Fatima Message and brings them to a coherent close;
It is a complete text in itself, with an introduction, principal explanation and conclusion;
It is clear and ascessible either to the children who received it or to any adult - ignorant or learned - as a message of the Mother of God normally would be.
These are, in our opinion, sufficient reasons to make this message accessible to the public.
Before presenting the document, let us establish a presupposition for the discussion. As it was well demonstrated by Dr. Marian Horvat, we believe that there are two Sisters Lucy: One, the serious and reserved nun who received the messages, and another, the superficial and extroverted nun who posed with conciliar Popes during their visits to Fatima.
We think that the handwriting of the last Sister Lucy will probably not match the one in the letter below. Any comparison of texts should be made with those of the Sister Lucy at the time she was at Tuy.
A.S. Guimarães, editor
ning-
English Translation
Tuy September 1, 1944 or April 1, 1944
JMJ
Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret: This part is the apostasy in the Church!
Our Lady showed us the individual who I describe as the 'holy Father' in front of a multitude that was cheering him.
But there was a difference from a true holy Father, his devilish gaze, this one had the gaze of evil.
Then, after some moments we saw the same Pope entering a Church, but this Church was the Church of hell; there is no way to describe the ugliness of that place. It looked like a gray cement fortress with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; it had a beak in the roof of the building.
Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church; this letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960.
In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter’s grave must be removed and transferred to Fatima.
Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima.
The cathedral of Rome must be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.
If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed.
Our Lady told us that this is written,[in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44
allikas-http://www.traditioninaction.org/
Ma vaatsin ise ka, et nagu oleks kaks pühakut, aga kes - tõesti aru ei saanud.
Küllap üks on ehk esimene Peetrus.
Nojah, eks rooma-katoliiklastel ole iidsete initsiatsiooniriituste atribuutika asemel muud tõlgendused.
Corporis, mingi link sul ka selle kopitud teksti kohta lisada ehk?
Tahaks teada, mis asjapuude poolt kirjutatud.
http://gizadeathstar.com/
siin see siis on
Malachi’s Prophecies & B16’s Resignation
Prophecy of the Popes
Dear TIA,
It is good to be back. Considering that Pope Benedict 16 is resigning, it comes in my mind to ask you about the prophecy of St. Malachi, if it is genuine or not.
Saint Malachi was given a vision of the last 112 popes starting from his time up to the last pope in which Rome (the seven-hilled city) will be destroyed. According to the prophecy, Pope Benedict 16 was the 111th & we are going to see fulfillment for the coming 112th pope Petrus Romanus. The prophecy can be read here.
The prophecy of the 112th is this: "In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible judge will judge his people."
This is the last prophecy he has.
That is why I believed in the real third secret of Fatima that you have posted in which Rome also is going to be destroyed.
And history will repeat again, according to St. Matthew, the temple being destroyed before the passing of a generation (70 years):
Jesus' time (Jesus on passion) = Temple was destroyed before 70 AD has pass;
Our time (Mystical Body of Christ = Church on passion) = Temple in Vatican has to be destroyed before the passing of a generation, starting from the birth of Israel nation in 1947.
I hope you have a clear answer about the St. Malachi's prophecy.
Thanks,
R.A.
______________________
TIA responds:
Dear R.A.,
We believe you are entitled to your opinion. The comments you made seem quite coherent, but there is a gap from making conjectures to saying that these things will actually take place. We must wait to see what will happen.
Regarding what is called the contingent future, i.e., what will happen in detail, this is known only by God and those to whom He communicates such knowledge. We can certainly guarantee you that so far we have not had this kind of communication.
Thus, we should limit ourselves to humbly making conjectures, knowing that they can be incomplete or wrong. In our opinion, yours are among the coherent conjectures that can be made.
To us what is certain - taking into consideration the prophecies of La Salette - is that we are immersed in the times that either are those of the Antichrist or those that prefigure them. It also is not difficult to see that we are in the middle of an enormous apostasy, which can very well be the Great Apostasy predicted by St. Paul (2 Tes 2) for the times of the Antichrist. If, to this we add the perspectives foreseen at Fatima of a cosmic chastisement - the twirling of the sun seems to be a symbol of it - we have a very broad and serious panorama.
You mention the Prophecies of St. Malachi, which end with this coming Pope who will be elected in one month or so. Insofar as we believe in those prophecies, it makes sense to think that Rome will be destroyed soon. If we considered that yesterday, February 11, 2013, after Benedict XVI announced his resignation, lightning struck the Vatican cupola, one may interpret this as a sign of a coming destruction, confirming St. Malachi’s prediction.
Further, if one considers that in the last phase of his pontificate, Pius XII was largely preparing the progressivist onslaught that took place with John XXIII and the Council, then we have before our eyes a list of six Popes who all promoted Progressivism: Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Adding a seventh to this list, in the eventually that the coming Pope will not be a good one, would make seven Popes who have served and helped to advance Progressivism.
Would this be the realization of St. John’s mysterious prophecy of a beast with seven heads that will appear close to the end times to destroy the Church? Who could say for sure that it is or that it is not?
You see that these conjectures, which in some way support yours, are far from being the "clear answer" you expected from us.
Cordially,
TIA correspondence desk
Ja veel-
Third Secret of Fatima
People Commenting
One of our readers from Portugal sent us the facsimile of a handwritten text that could be the text of the Third Secret of Fatima.
This unsigned text supposedly was written by Sister Lucy in her Convent of Tuy on September 1, 1944 or April 1, 1944 - it is not clear whether the number indicating the month is 9 or 4. A fingerprint of Sister Lucy was placed on the bottom of the page as a guarantee of its authenticity. Some unidentified person who had access to this document released a photo of it very recently.
We are posting this facsimile below for the perusal of TIA readers. It is followed by a typed text in Portuguese and our English translation of it.
We do not assert that this is undoubtedly the true Third Secret. We post it as an invitation for our readers to discuss it and seek the opinion of experts in order to find whether this document is authentic or not.
Sadly, there is a hypothesis that should not be excluded: If the date is April 1, then some priest or even bishop might be playing an April Fools' joke, spreading an adulterated text to amuse himself. This would be a sin against the Second Commandement, we believe, since it would be taking the name of God's Blessed Mother in vain. But, in these times of post-conciliar lack of seriousness, TIA has already experienced something of this kind (click here).
Even though, on the one hand, we make these reservations as a measure of prudence, on the other hand, we believe that this text has in its favor the appearance of truth. That is to say:
Regarding its content, it is a description that certainly matches the reality we are witnessing today: the radical changes that were installed in the Church by Vatican Council II and were universally spread in the last 45 years;
If it would have been revealed before 1960 by John XXIII, it could have prevented an enormous part of this crisis;
Regarding its form, it corresponds to the other two previously revealed parts of the Fatima Message and brings them to a coherent close;
It is a complete text in itself, with an introduction, principal explanation and conclusion;
It is clear and ascessible either to the children who received it or to any adult - ignorant or learned - as a message of the Mother of God normally would be.
These are, in our opinion, sufficient reasons to make this message accessible to the public.
Before presenting the document, let us establish a presupposition for the discussion. As it was well demonstrated by Dr. Marian Horvat, we believe that there are two Sisters Lucy: One, the serious and reserved nun who received the messages, and another, the superficial and extroverted nun who posed with conciliar Popes during their visits to Fatima.
We think that the handwriting of the last Sister Lucy will probably not match the one in the letter below. Any comparison of texts should be made with those of the Sister Lucy at the time she was at Tuy.
A.S. Guimarães, editor
ning-
English Translation
Tuy September 1, 1944 or April 1, 1944
JMJ
Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret: This part is the apostasy in the Church!
Our Lady showed us the individual who I describe as the 'holy Father' in front of a multitude that was cheering him.
But there was a difference from a true holy Father, his devilish gaze, this one had the gaze of evil.
Then, after some moments we saw the same Pope entering a Church, but this Church was the Church of hell; there is no way to describe the ugliness of that place. It looked like a gray cement fortress with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; it had a beak in the roof of the building.
Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church; this letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960.
In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter’s grave must be removed and transferred to Fatima.
Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima.
The cathedral of Rome must be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.
If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed.
Our Lady told us that this is written,[in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44
allikas-http://www.traditioninaction.org/